important to point out that from the very first time he was in office, he issued gag orders at the pentagon where nobody could even talk about the implications of those cuts. and his latest this week, he issued again memorandums that tell people they cannot talk about the reality of the cuts that are there. lori: we do have some quantitative data from the department of treasury, congressman, on the rate of defense spending, and we do know that it has risen of the last decade by 54%. that is inflation adjusted, obviously we have had it worse in iraq in afghanistan. obviously george w. bush was the president, but it also includes the increase in defense spending and the president obama. there is a case to be made, there is a lot of fat and the department of defense. cuts need to be made. it is i time. >> laurie, there is no question about that. there is that the department of defense and we're working on that in the to continue to work on that. sequestration is not going to get the fat. it is getting a programs that we desperately need doing in an arbitrary way. let me just address that 54 pe